- The box was very appealing when it was unwrapped, but there was also a questioning between being a box or a cube in conceptual terms.
- There was an interest in naming it because it was there were several possibilities to go with the box.
- They faced the object as an object so they felted restrained in doing something to the box.
- They used it as a support base, to make it functional.
- in some way the box made part of the family for while, and was created a relation even thought the object itself remained strange to them. The presence of it was a bit frightening because of its size.
- There was a slight contradiction in their behaviour with the object because in one hand it was almost like a sense of loss but in the other hand there was a kind of affection. It is also interesting how the object even thought it didn’t suffered any intervention it became an active object that completed some kind of gap.
- There was also the interest of going for a walk with the box and trying to interact with it in specific places. However the idea didn’t happen!
- At the same time there was a need to not engage with it, because it is something that an ordinary object would not require from you!
- The box had a lot of dust in it.
- The box has also the power to precede you into the room as something that was dislocated.
- Nevertheless there was a creation of a relation due to the box being attractive to them. The physicality of it and its basic and tactile attributes it was not divorced from them because they felt it belonged to the everyday world. Another point that was considered was that it was something natural and very practical to accept.
- There was an objectification of the box diminishing it. The object itself becomes an accumulation of space that seems to belong to place but still does not belong. Remains alienated. There seems to exist a boundary that keeps us to still keep close but at the same time distant from it.
- In some way part of our lives were brought as close as possible because of a need of interacting
- it is also relevant to say with no apparent intention there was created an aura in the object because they felt they could project anything to the box as long as the box remained with no intervention. Afterwards it becomes difficult and there is also other aspect that once the box itself becomes intervened until the point whether it loses its integrity!
Hi Pedro. A kind of confusing and by this doubtful diagram.
ReplyDeleteI can't do it better, but while reading this, there were already lots of questions and doubts coming up to my mind. Probably not that elaborated yet, but well, to be honest For me, Pedro, this document is work-in-progress and not finished yet. Continue working on that!
> Forms and shapes are principles of our visible word. That is what we can see, understand and read.
> What about the interlinking, connecting character of language? The code of communication with words and phrases is of course a way of materializing, well comprehending the world. It is our human way of understanding the world around us and living together in a society-like community.
> Life is impossible to be authentic? I partly agree: Our view on the world is of course subjective. The only conscious idea is the self-reflection of ourself: "Cogito, ergo sum" - but if you begin to doubt everything around you, developing the idea that everything is inauthentic, impossible, wrong and not lasting... how can you continue living in this world. It becomes senseless. A vicious cirlce, if you consider this idea in a consequent way.
> Rebirth = dying? Death equals death? So? Why?
> Art is "a mark that is left by the act of the theft" of what? Other people's time by showing or publishing your personal way of seeing and articulating your perception?
> And finally, your conclusion that objectification is related to death is at least for me not a straight-forward idea from this document...
So: With doubts and greetings,
Henning
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ReplyDelete> Forms and shapes are principles of our visible word. That is what we can see, understand and read.
R: When I am saying that the form ‘is corruption of the visible world’ I am referring not only to the world we live in but for example the appropriation that the artists sometimes do of what surrounds them. Even when you are photographing something you are appropriating yourself of something that will remain in a piece of paper with not much more than a meaning to you but not with the essence of the site or of the person contained in that piece of paper. It remains as a reference to you but nevertheless it took a form so that you could identify yourself with. In addition there is a context to it: form = object = artwork. Nevertheless like I said this can also be applied to the principles of the visible world since nature itself is no more natural, it became deformed and corrupted. We appropriated Nature at its own expense!
> What about the interlinking, connecting character of language? The code of communication with words and phrases is of course a way of materializing, well comprehending the world. It is our human way of understanding the world around us and living together in a society-like community.
R: the interconnections that I do in the chart and the words that use in the chart are already ways of materializing like you say and because of that it becomes already part of an object. The objects as well as language are complex systems that have as aim to simply our methods of communication! I don’t want to seem too radical or pretentious here, but sometimes is that same context of language and forms that make impossible an approach to other dimensions such as a transcendental one. Even though it is not translated in a form of communication it is directly related with a need to feel things in a more personal dimension. In addition do you really think that you can understand the word by words or by making objects of short-term use? Don’t you think it is something much more intuitive!? Nevertheless language is functional and essential but surely when you are doing a project of yours you as well as your client can’t rationalize completely why you like it or not! I leave this question open to you since you tend to be more objective than me!
> Life is impossible to be authentic? I partly agree: Our view on the world is of course subjective. The only conscious idea is the self-reflection of yourself: "Cogito, ergo sum" - but if you begin to doubt everything around you, developing the idea that everything is inauthentic, impossible, wrong and not lasting... how can you continue living in this world. It becomes senseless. A vicious circle, if you consider this idea in a consequent way.
R: well firstly let me say that any human being is authentic. However that doesn’t mean the impossibility of leaving or being satisfied with life! I say it is unsustainable because you can’t live without having any references and being yourself! You have to be conscious that you are not an individual; you are the result of a culture, a context, parents, friends and so many other factors. However this doesn’t imply that you can’t form your own opinions and your character!
In addition when you are aware of that factor you can easily maneuver around it! ‘Conscious of the self’ can go either to rebirth or death according to your intentions and beliefs. Intellectually you can be dormant or not! It is an option that everyone takes consciously or not! In fact you can really become senseless. The example of NFN!!!
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ReplyDelete> Rebirth = dying? Death equals death? So? Why?
R: Phoenix!
You either have two options:
First you follow the example of phoenix and you are constantly regenerating yourself which leads to transcendence, because you are not necessarily attached to something, which leads to an endless cycle of renovation and development.
Secondly you face what is given to you and you accept it without questioning it! The reality is not consensual and because of that the realm that we live is almost an impossibility because there is no escape from it apart from knowledge! I refer to ‘Authenticity in times of political and historical collapse’ because the idea of progress and change is something from the twenty century so far the idea of progress is translated in a compulsive passiveness by for example most of our politicians! Health and safety issues for example: (Why can’t you make a revolution in England?)
> Art is "a mark that is left by the act of the theft" of what? Other people's time by showing or publishing your personal way of seeing and articulating your perception?
R: Your conclusion is very ironic not to say very critical, but nonetheless what I mean by the act of theft is the fact that you as person and as artist you are appropriating what surrounds you and transforming it to present in a similar way but in a different context (Check the text The Creator (part2/3)).
However your point of view is also interesting but that is not the direction that I want to give.
In addition the act of theft makes part of our existence as partly our way of surviving in the world not as plagiarism or robbing, but instead being a sponge to what surrounds us!
> And finally, your conclusion that objectification is related to death is at least for me not a straight-forward idea from this document...
R: we tend to rationalize everything! It is inherent to our nature and the way we need to understand the world! Objectification is not related to people but objects and facts and everything else. People are boxed in because they are different!
Once again death shouldn’t be understood as a straightforward word. That would be an interesting question to ask ourselves what is death!? Believe me if you ask yourself the possible meanings of the word to you, you will find it a rich word full essence and power!
henning m. lederer said...
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Concerning the intuitivity of decisions and the process of rationalisation, I agree with you that we normally have a first impression, a feeling of like or dislike - in german we call the instinct of the gut - when we approach a work or a piece of art. But at least for me as a designer, I do not rely on that feeling but I try to understand and, yes, rationalize the reason or the origin of these decisions. Otherwise it is only a subjective and by this irrelevant or wrong opinion - at least from an objective point of view.
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What you describe within the paragraph of self-consciousness, reminds me on the philosophical term of 'dialectical materialism' by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels - joining the Idealism by Hegel and Feuerbach's Materialism:
The material world (what you call the non-individual surrounding), perceptible to the senses, has objective reality independent of mind or spirit. But they did not deny the reality of mental or spiritual processes but affirmed that ideas could arise, therefore, only as products and reflections of material conditions. So, it is both: Your individual self that shapes you and your character, but also the cultural and social envronment around you. And vice versa: The society is forming your character.
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Why can’t you make a revolution in England? Well. Being in Norwich for about 8 months is already an answer, don't you think :-)
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That's it for the moment.
... and if you are interested in other ways of explaining complex coherences, have a look at this website: http://utangente.free.fr/index2.html ... a great resource of great pdf-versions of maps and visual networks.
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